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		<title>Comment on RUGBY WAS CALIFORNIA DREAMIN’ by Ian Syson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 00:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This piece is from Hobart Mercury 25 May 1912, It&#039;s a curious piece on the attempts to promote Australian rules football in America, following the lead of Australian Rugby honchos in promoting their game on the West Coast. An interesting consciousness of the way the Americans tend to respond to the names of things in nationalistic (ie, anti-British) ways. It&#039;s posted on my 100 years ago today site http://100yat.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/25-may-1912-hobart-mercury.html


Interesting letters have been received by Mr.C. M. Hickey, secretary of the Australasian Football Council, from Master Eric Cullen-Ward and Lieut. J.J. Simons. During the visit of the American boys to these shores a few years ago Mr R. A. Munro King, of Sydney, an enthusiastic supporter of the national game, gave a prize of £A100 under the terms of a travelling scholarship, among the public schools of Sydney, young Cullen-Ward being the successful competitor. The idea was to lecture in all the schools and colleges possible in California, as well as to coach the boys. His duties were faithfully and earnestly carried out . The American game was banned from the universities in California in 1905, and the Rugby code substituted, Rugby being now the universal football game all along the Pacific Coast. So brutal had become the American game that the parents of the boys would not allow them to engage in any pastime with the word football attached thereto. And, that is how Rugby crept in, the parents being absolutely unaware that it was a game of football at all. For the same reason our game has been designated field ball. From the letters (says the &quot;Australasian&quot;) it has been gleaned that Rugby has captured the universities and many of the high schools. And, strange as it may appear, this condition of affairs has been chiefly brought about through the energies of Australians hailing from Sydney. A great amount of diplomacy was used, the Americans calling it Australian Rugby, under the impression that it was the national game oi the Commonwealth. If it had been called British or English Rugby, the game would not have been adopted, as &quot;soccer&quot; collapsed after being introduced as British Association. Lieut. Simons suggests that an official invitation be sent to Captain Davy, of the Vancouver High School, either by the Australasian Football Council or by the military authorities. This organisation is known as the 101st Cadet Corps, has 800 studcnts, the boys being of a fine type. The corps is highly thought of by the citizens, and was only prevented by circumstances over which they had no control from attending the Coronation. In the event of an invitation being sent, no money guarantee is required All that would be looked for would be housing the boys. The corps would give military exhibitions in the open air, as well as play football. It is to be sincerely trusted that either the Football Council or the military authorities, or both, can see their way clear in forwarding the official invitation necessary. The visiting party would number 60 youths and officers, the youngest of whom would be 15 and the eldest 19 years of age. But both Messrs. Simons and Ward, while very enthusiastic regarding the progress made, emphatically aver that unless coaches are appointed by the Australasian Football Council to maintain the interest and to instruct the American lads, the game must ultimately die out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece is from Hobart Mercury 25 May 1912, It&#8217;s a curious piece on the attempts to promote Australian rules football in America, following the lead of Australian Rugby honchos in promoting their game on the West Coast. An interesting consciousness of the way the Americans tend to respond to the names of things in nationalistic (ie, anti-British) ways. It&#8217;s posted on my 100 years ago today site <a href="http://100yat.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/25-may-1912-hobart-mercury.html" rel="nofollow">http://100yat.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/25-may-1912-hobart-mercury.html</a></p>
<p>Interesting letters have been received by Mr.C. M. Hickey, secretary of the Australasian Football Council, from Master Eric Cullen-Ward and Lieut. J.J. Simons. During the visit of the American boys to these shores a few years ago Mr R. A. Munro King, of Sydney, an enthusiastic supporter of the national game, gave a prize of £A100 under the terms of a travelling scholarship, among the public schools of Sydney, young Cullen-Ward being the successful competitor. The idea was to lecture in all the schools and colleges possible in California, as well as to coach the boys. His duties were faithfully and earnestly carried out . The American game was banned from the universities in California in 1905, and the Rugby code substituted, Rugby being now the universal football game all along the Pacific Coast. So brutal had become the American game that the parents of the boys would not allow them to engage in any pastime with the word football attached thereto. And, that is how Rugby crept in, the parents being absolutely unaware that it was a game of football at all. For the same reason our game has been designated field ball. From the letters (says the &#8220;Australasian&#8221;) it has been gleaned that Rugby has captured the universities and many of the high schools. And, strange as it may appear, this condition of affairs has been chiefly brought about through the energies of Australians hailing from Sydney. A great amount of diplomacy was used, the Americans calling it Australian Rugby, under the impression that it was the national game oi the Commonwealth. If it had been called British or English Rugby, the game would not have been adopted, as &#8220;soccer&#8221; collapsed after being introduced as British Association. Lieut. Simons suggests that an official invitation be sent to Captain Davy, of the Vancouver High School, either by the Australasian Football Council or by the military authorities. This organisation is known as the 101st Cadet Corps, has 800 studcnts, the boys being of a fine type. The corps is highly thought of by the citizens, and was only prevented by circumstances over which they had no control from attending the Coronation. In the event of an invitation being sent, no money guarantee is required All that would be looked for would be housing the boys. The corps would give military exhibitions in the open air, as well as play football. It is to be sincerely trusted that either the Football Council or the military authorities, or both, can see their way clear in forwarding the official invitation necessary. The visiting party would number 60 youths and officers, the youngest of whom would be 15 and the eldest 19 years of age. But both Messrs. Simons and Ward, while very enthusiastic regarding the progress made, emphatically aver that unless coaches are appointed by the Australasian Football Council to maintain the interest and to instruct the American lads, the game must ultimately die out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on RUGBY WAS CALIFORNIA DREAMIN’ by Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Fred, They are really good to see! I&#039;ve seen some in Sydney newspapers, but not those. Love the jersey. The game looks to be vs NZ Maori at the Sydney Cricket Ground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Fred, They are really good to see! I&#8217;ve seen some in Sydney newspapers, but not those. Love the jersey. The game looks to be vs NZ Maori at the Sydney Cricket Ground.</p>
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		<title>Comment on RUGBY WAS CALIFORNIA DREAMIN’ by Frederic Humbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederic Humbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I once &quot;favorited&quot; some Flickr pictures (submitted by US Embassy in NZ) showing moments of 1910 All American Tour down under... the American jersey is a masterpiece!

cf http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_embassy_newzealand/5255638387/in/faves-rugby_pioneers/ and following pictures...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once &#8220;favorited&#8221; some Flickr pictures (submitted by US Embassy in NZ) showing moments of 1910 All American Tour down under&#8230; the American jersey is a masterpiece!</p>
<p>cf <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_embassy_newzealand/5255638387/in/faves-rugby_pioneers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_embassy_newzealand/5255638387/in/faves-rugby_pioneers/</a> and following pictures&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on MELBOURNE&#8217;S LOST RUGBY HISTORY by Ron Grainger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Grainger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I note that previous comments on this item have disappeared from your site (as have those on your stories relating to the contributions to Victorian Rugby by Rev. John Hoatson and Dr. W.Littlejohn) . Whether or not this has been the work of secret agents from another State – or even another code – and perhaps one of the reasons why so much of Melbourne’s Rugby history is lost? I submit the following in the hope that it doesn’t meet the same fate.
Surely the moral of your story is that all present codes of football have inherited something from  earlier, more informal, games and although certain enthusiastic supporters of Australian Rules are reluctant to acknowledge their derivation, it seems inconceivable that the authors of the 1859  Melbourne Rules would not have conceived of them as a further variation of the rules of Rugby, not only because elements of that game featured in the occasional football matches then played in Victoria but because Rugby  was the only football game then codified, initially in the form of the 1845 Rugby School Rules and in the versions subsequently adopted by Cambridge University and others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that previous comments on this item have disappeared from your site (as have those on your stories relating to the contributions to Victorian Rugby by Rev. John Hoatson and Dr. W.Littlejohn) . Whether or not this has been the work of secret agents from another State – or even another code – and perhaps one of the reasons why so much of Melbourne’s Rugby history is lost? I submit the following in the hope that it doesn’t meet the same fate.<br />
Surely the moral of your story is that all present codes of football have inherited something from  earlier, more informal, games and although certain enthusiastic supporters of Australian Rules are reluctant to acknowledge their derivation, it seems inconceivable that the authors of the 1859  Melbourne Rules would not have conceived of them as a further variation of the rules of Rugby, not only because elements of that game featured in the occasional football matches then played in Victoria but because Rugby  was the only football game then codified, initially in the form of the 1845 Rugby School Rules and in the versions subsequently adopted by Cambridge University and others.</p>
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		<title>Comment on THE GHOST IN THE RUGBY PAINTING by Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com</title>
		<link>http://jottingsonrugby.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/rugbypainting/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 03:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is very impressive!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is very impressive!</p>
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		<title>Comment on MELBOURNE&#8217;S FIRST RUGBY REBELS AMBUSHED NSW by Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 02:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ron. I agree that is a very significant point - showing that not only has rugby in Melbourne had a long history before the Rebels&#039; arrival, but that much of it was on the site of the present stadium which is the Rebels home. 

As I mentioned in the article above the games in 1893 began at the &#039;Friendly Societies Ground&#039; aka &#039;Amateur Sports Grounds&#039; which came to be Olympic Park &amp; the site of the new stadium where Rebels play.  

I&#039;ll defer to your local knowledge of Melbourne grounds (old &amp; new), but I gather the area encompassing the new stadium &amp; Olympic Park is all referenced collectively as part of the &quot;Amateur Sports Grounds&quot; (two sports ovals). http://www.aamipark.com.au/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-276/70_read-63/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ron. I agree that is a very significant point &#8211; showing that not only has rugby in Melbourne had a long history before the Rebels&#8217; arrival, but that much of it was on the site of the present stadium which is the Rebels home. </p>
<p>As I mentioned in the article above the games in 1893 began at the &#8216;Friendly Societies Ground&#8217; aka &#8216;Amateur Sports Grounds&#8217; which came to be Olympic Park &amp; the site of the new stadium where Rebels play.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll defer to your local knowledge of Melbourne grounds (old &amp; new), but I gather the area encompassing the new stadium &amp; Olympic Park is all referenced collectively as part of the &#8220;Amateur Sports Grounds&#8221; (two sports ovals). <a href="http://www.aamipark.com.au/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-276/70_read-63/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aamipark.com.au/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-276/70_read-63/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on MELBOURNE&#8217;S FIRST RUGBY REBELS AMBUSHED NSW by Ron Grainger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Grainger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that the the Melbourne Rebels home games are played on the same site as  were the first regular club competition matches in Victoria is usually overlooked. Under its various previous names the present AAMI Park has, since 1893, been the venue for countless other club and representative matches, not least the 12-12 draw in the  Victoria - Wallabies game, played shortly before the Australian team  departed on their 1933 tour of South African. That team included three Victorian players, one being &#039;Dave&#039; Cowper, the first Victorian to captain Australia - and who  led them to a 21-6 win in the second Test in Durban.

Of course the majority of all those matches were played when there were only three points for a try and had that still been the case last Friday the winning margin would have looked far less significant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the the Melbourne Rebels home games are played on the same site as  were the first regular club competition matches in Victoria is usually overlooked. Under its various previous names the present AAMI Park has, since 1893, been the venue for countless other club and representative matches, not least the 12-12 draw in the  Victoria &#8211; Wallabies game, played shortly before the Australian team  departed on their 1933 tour of South African. That team included three Victorian players, one being &#8216;Dave&#8217; Cowper, the first Victorian to captain Australia &#8211; and who  led them to a 21-6 win in the second Test in Durban.</p>
<p>Of course the majority of all those matches were played when there were only three points for a try and had that still been the case last Friday the winning margin would have looked far less significant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on “OBOLENSKY&#8217;S MATCH” by John Biddle</title>
		<link>http://jottingsonrugby.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/obolensky/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Biddle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the Campese try for comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uNAh34pDt8]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the Campese try for comparison:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://jottingsonrugby.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/obolensky/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/7uNAh34pDt8/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on “OBOLENSKY&#8217;S MATCH” by Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Prince Obolensky Association commemorates the memory of Prince Obolensky and through his link with Rosslyn Park, the association commemorates the great rugby tradition of Park, one of England&#039;s oldest rugby clubs.
http://www.obolensky.org/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Prince Obolensky Association commemorates the memory of Prince Obolensky and through his link with Rosslyn Park, the association commemorates the great rugby tradition of Park, one of England&#8217;s oldest rugby clubs.<br />
<a href="http://www.obolensky.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.obolensky.org/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on “OBOLENSKY&#8217;S MATCH” by Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Fagan - JottingsOnRugby.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great addition John! Much appreciated! It is an excellent run/try to be able to see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great addition John! Much appreciated! It is an excellent run/try to be able to see.</p>
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